Which version do I get??
And If I have an old norton utilities disk 6.0 that I used when I had a platform 9...is it updateable? Or do I need to start with a new one?
thank you...
computer is running really really slow between clicks
And If I have an old norton utilities disk 6.0 that I used when I had a platform 9...is it updateable? Or do I need to start with a new one?
thank you...
computer is running really really slow between clicks
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 8:14 AMIt's likely something else. I'd guess you have another program running in the background taking up processor time. A full drive can also produce this, as the system runs low on "swap" space.
So, if your system disk is "full" - 90% or more, try removing old cruft you're sure you don't need anymore.
The background program that affects me the most is flash in a web page. Poorly built flash code can have a serious affect on my performance, but since it's run in the background by your web browser, you won't know it - until you close the web browser with that flash inside it.
You can use the program 'Activity Monitor' (I think it's in 10.3.9) in the Applications/Utilities directory to see what's taking up time on your CPU.
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 9:07 AMthanks bob....but the slowness is also happening when i'm not on the internet...and I believe there's plenty of room on my computer...how do i check that?
and still want to run an anti virus check..I ran the disk doctor...and that made repairs....does that mean it cleared out viruses too? -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 9:39 AMGenerally disk doctor does not fix anything related to viruses, trojans, etc. It, on a PC at least, potentially fixes errors in the system directory, moves data out of bad disk sectors, sometimes repairs bad disk sectors.
If your computer is slow when not using the internet, do as Bob suggested and run the disk utility he mentioned. This will show you what processes are running and how much of the processor they are using. If a process looks weird, you can do an internet search for the process to find out if it is a virus, trojan, malware, etc. Running a virus scan will hopefully find these things as well, but not always. -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 1:27 PMI agree with Bob and Krampus. There are many reasons you could be running slowly. The LEAST likely one is a virus or malware.
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 2:59 PMNo, if by disk doctor you mean the Disk Utility and running Repair Disk Permissions, then no, that will not scan for viruses.
You can check the free space on your hard disk, by right clicking on the "Macintosh HD" icon and selecting "Get Info" (or, left click once on the icon and press Command-i). Under the "General" section you'll see "Capacity" and "Available". If your available space is <10% of Capacity, consider removing old stuff (there are programs out there than can clean up caches and unused files).
If you really want to look for viruses on a Mac, I would suggest starting with ClamXAV. It's free, but the viruses id's get updated frequently. The interface isn't as pretty though. www.clamxav.com/ Note that this WILL likely find viruses in your email, especially if you save an store email messages using Mail.app or Entourage.
HOWEVER.
The viruses it finds will be for Microsoft Windows, and not Apple's OS X. They are not binary compatible, so the Windows viruses cannot infect a Mac, but they can reside on your system innocuously (until you forward that email to a friend with windows). Also, since you're running 10.3.9, I'm guessing you're on an older, slower, PPC Mac (G4 or G3) which uses an entirely different processor, with entirely different instruction code. A virus created for an Intel system would not be able to run natively on that processor.
The reason I say it's unlikely that it's a virus is that there just aren't really any viruses for OS X. Security concerns, yes (usually fixed in patches by Apple). Trojan horses, maybe.
Which is why I suggested looking into other paths first. If your disk is over 90% (or even 80% I've heard) full, it can affect performance. This is because of the virtul memory system. Virtual memory allows the system to address more memory space than it actually has. It does this by allocating space on the hard drive to write 'pages' of memory (parts of programs or large files) out to the disk, and read them back when it needs them.
If you're using programs that take up much more memory than your system has, like if you're running photoshop on a system with 512 MB, then your system will spend a lot of time writing and reading those pages. This is called 'thrashing'.
The reason I mention flash is that you don't need to be connected to the internet or even viewing a flash page any longer for flash to take up (a lot, I mean a LOT) system resources (namely, CPU time). All your web browser has to do is load the flash engine ONCE (say for a banner ad - which most banners are now), and even if you close the page/tab where that flash was, the engine keeps running, and keeps taking CPU time. So, even if you're no longer connected to the internet, you'd need to quit the web browser to kill the flash engine.
So, yeah. I just kinda doubt it's a virus. :)
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 2:59 PM1. A virus is not causing your slowness.
2. A failing HDD, or just plain old clutter may be.
3. Keep anything that says Norton on it as far away from your macintosh as possible.
1. There are, still to this day, no KNOWN mac os x viruses in the wild. The ONLY "virus" that I have seen on Mac OS X (and I see a lot of sick macs) is the MS Word Macro-virus. This little pest does not affect system performance at all. All it does is copy itself into all of your word documents and sit there until someone else opens one of the documents, then it copies itself into their word documents.
Not causing your problem.
2. A 10.3.9 machine is getting up there in age. Your disk very may well be approaching it's end of life. If you have the OS installation disks that came with your machine, you can boot off of them and run Disk Utility to repair your hdd (and your permissions since you're in there). If it is a failing drive, Disk Utility will likely report the problem but not be able to fix it. In that case, write down the exact wording of the error and we'll try to diagnose it.
If you don't have the disks and/or have the resources for purchasing a good tool to have anyway, pick up a copy of DiskWarrior. You can boot from it and test your drive. DiskWarrior fixes a lot deeper software (volume formatting, etc) problems with Mac disks than Disk Utility. It still can't fix a HDD with failing hardware, obviously, but it will report that kind of drive malfunction to you as it tries to repair the damage done to the software as a result of it.
BTW- IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF YOUR FILES, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME.
3. Norton's post-OS9 tools are shit. they do more damage than they fix. Generally speaking, if it's not broken before it will be after Norton "fixes" it.
And you shouldn't run any OS9 utilities on an OSX volume.
If your HDD checks out as okay, run cocktail ( maintain.se ) /panther version/ to clear your system and font caches and restart. It may just be as simple as needing an herbal colonic to feel young again. -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 4:11 PMMr. K speaks the truth. I have nothing to add to this, but want to reinforce his suggestions as being the best advice for your situation. -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 4:33 PMI'd like to add my support to Jory and Mr. K. My PowerMac G4 was a 2000, and was an OS 10.3.9. When the power supply finally died on it in July, Melrose Mac was calling it a "vintage" Mac. It would have cost close to $1000 to get that machine up to speed, so I got a new iMac instead ($1300 with AppleCare Support). Now, if I had been religiously backing up on my EHD like I had been planning to, I would not have had to pay them to move data from the dead computer to my EHD. But I didn't, so I got dinged with $225 for that. So yes, start backing things up now, every day. Because your buddy could be on his last legs. -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 6:49 PMok...bob...you rock!!
I didn't understand the acitivity monitor concept...but now I get it!
There were some strange "button" programs running, that were taking up a lot of space, so I quit them both, and now I'm toggling between things like I used to.
Now how to speed up the dsl???
And yes, will do a new back up....I have been pretty good about that actually.
I"m glad it wasn't the worst case scenario.
Thank you...
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 6:50 PMps....what are disk permissions? -
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 12:12 PM"Disk permissions" are a bit of a misnomer. Really, its the permissions of files, specifically system files. Mac OS keeps a database of sorts, of all the system files' default permission settings. A software install can change that (by accident, or maliciously). "Repair Disk Permissions" uses that, and some general security rules to keep system file permissions in line.
It's a security thing on multi-user systems, which, for the most part all modern OS's are. (Windows 98 and OS 9 and earlier were all were single-user systems)
On unix systems, they determine who can read, write, or execute a file. They're why the system occasionally asks you for a password to perform a task such as install some software - the permissions required to install the software are greater than your normal user account is allowed to do.
This is also why there aren't many viruses for Mac - your user account requires* a password to access system-level permissions, whereas (particularly earlier versions) Windows gave the primary user system-level access by default.
* - most security breaches in unix, including OS X, have found some obtuse way around this.
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 8:24 PMWell, I guess I lucked out then by quitting the strange button programs. Thanks for all your explanations Bob. I think this saved me what could have been $$$ at the mac store. And thanks to everyone else for your reinforcement and info about viruses and norton programs.
:)
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Re: Anti virus for os x 10.3.9?
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 12:00 PM"button" process, huh? Hm. Well, it's likely a child process of another program you're running, waiting for a button press. Note that this would NOT have shown up under the "Force Quit..." from the Apple menu.
Do note that it's not always a great idea to go around killing processes just because you don't like the way they look. :) If they're named something obvious like 'mozilla', 'safari', or 'Mail.app' then at least you know what it is.
Speed up DSL? Sure! 1) Upgrade to a better DSL package 2) move closer to the Central Office (this is the most likely case) 3) get another method of access, such as cable or FiOS.
Worst case scenario always is not having a backup. Like my business partner this past week. :|
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