Verizon iPhone

topic posted Sat, January 22, 2011 - 11:20 AM by 
I'm amazed that no one's posted anything in here about the new Verizon iPhone, which, as far as I can tell, will be available on February 10th. Is anyone planning on getting the Verizon iPhone plan? Does anyone know the plan details and pricing? (I can't seem to find this info on Verizon's website, but I might be looking in the wrong place.) Will they have an unlimited data plan? Will they allow tethering with an unlimited data plan? Would it be worth breaking my 2-year AT&T contract to move to Verizon?

I'm curious if anyone in here has done enough digging on this yet to have any solid information.
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  • Re: Verizon iPhone

    Sat, January 22, 2011 - 12:09 PM
    I think the reason there's been no talk is there are no details. We don't know what the pricing will be, we don't know what they're gonna charge for tethering, we don't even know for certain that the new iPhone 4 model is CDMA-only.

    I'm torn and waiting to hear more about pricing before I make a decision. I figure the reasons to mull over are:

    For switching now:

    * I'll have a device that actually *works*.
    * I won't be paying $90/mo for no service
    * Better battery life, since AT&T's lack of service causes phones to thrash themselves to death searching for service all the time.
    * I can get probably $400 for my iPhone 4 GSM on eBay

    Reasons to wait:

    * It doesn't seem like the new model has dual band (CDMA and GSM), so traveling internationally will require me to bring another phone with me, either my original iPhone or my current iPhone 4 GSM.
    * I would have to pay the $255 "fuck you" fee to AT&T (which I'd make back easily by selling my GSM version, but won't be able to make back if I have to keep the GSM version for international travel).
    * I expect iPhone 5 w/ dual-band and/or LTE support next year, so I'd be locked in a contract for another year

    It's not such a straightforward decision for me. Paying AT&T's "fuck you" fee is worth it to me if I actually can *use* my iPhone. Otherwise I have another 18 months of paying $90/mo to not use it. But waiting for LTE, which is becoming the new standard in Europe, too, seems smart, as well.
    • Re: Verizon iPhone

      Sat, January 22, 2011 - 1:21 PM
      Iphone4, 32Gb ATT = $299
      iPhone 4 32Gb No Plan = $699

      $400 / 2 year contract = $16.67 per month

      Verizon's early termination fee $350

      Att doesn't have unlimited data. Verizon doesn't have unlimited SMS. Best plans for both are about the same price ~$120/month

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....
      • Re: Verizon iPhone

        Sat, January 22, 2011 - 1:36 PM
        Well, I personally don't give a shit about unlimited SMS. I only get 200/month, and I've only once come anywhere near that limit. But I *am* interested in unlimited data. Right now I'm grandfathered into AT&T's unlimited data plan, but I'm not allowed to tether that way. If Verizon has an unlimited data plan that allows tethering, that's a big deal.
        • Re: Verizon iPhone

          Sat, January 22, 2011 - 2:09 PM
          My point was more that all phone companies are evil. And while YOU may not need a lot of SMS, others might. As for data, I have yet to flick over 2% of my monthly allotment. I'm seriously thinking of backing off the data amount. But I can see where this could be an issue for others. (BTW, there's an app hack for tethering)
          • Re: Verizon iPhone

            Sat, January 22, 2011 - 4:24 PM
            "And while YOU may not need a lot of SMS, others might."

            Oh, of course. I know people who hit that limit in a couple of days. But for me, personally, I'm much more interested in a plan that allows unlimited data with limited SMS, which it sounds like Verizon will have. People will obviously have to figure out what's important to them and choose according to that.

            "(BTW, there's an app hack for tethering)"

            Oooh, do tell. :)

            Incidentally, does this mean that there will be a Verizon iPad soon?
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              Re: Verizon iPhone

              Sat, January 22, 2011 - 4:40 PM
              <-- who's had iPhone lust since day one but hates AT&T and has been very pleased with Verizon service for basic phone use.

              I'll be paying attention. I work from home and do most everything on my Mac desktop after years of graphic design. I've really had no need for a laptop except as a frivolous extra for things you can do with an iPhone now. (web away from home, basically). I suppose I don't NEED one, but just REALLY want one. Since I'm visiting galleries to promote my artwork, I'm wondering if an iPad can figure into the mix. But that's for another thread.
      • Re: Verizon iPhone

        Sat, January 22, 2011 - 8:59 PM
        AT&T's early termination fee is $325, I believe.

        I had forgotten that Verizon doesn't have unlimited texting; that's an issue for me, since I do use it quite a bit. I, too, am grandfathered into the unlimited data on AT&T, not that it matters; I've averaged 180 MB of data usage per month. It's not that I couldn't make use of unlimited data, it's that I can't get any fucking service anywhere, so they keep me from using more than 180 MB/mo.
        • Re: Verizon iPhone

          Sun, January 23, 2011 - 9:10 AM
          To me, the main reason for one over the other is simply coverage. Where I live AT&T is good while Verizon is barely fair. So for me, AT&T is the way to go. In other areas, such as San Francisco and New York City, Verizon has better coverage.

          2 other things:
          It appears that Verizon will have tethering from the beginning. I don't know if there will be an extra fee for that.
          The VI-phone cannot have internet access and phone access simultaneously. If you're using the internet or tethering your computer through the phone to the internet, access will be terminated while you talk on the phone. I don't know what this will do to certain connections such as VPN.
          • Re: Verizon iPhone

            Sun, January 23, 2011 - 10:44 AM
            Tethering costs depend on the phone and plan you have on the Verizon network. If you have an unlimited data plan Droid phone, and root access to your phone's OS, it works with little hitch. I'd have to do some research to figure out whether or not anyone has done this in such a way that it does not require root access. My guess is that it is technically feasible to do without rooting the phone…
          • Re: Verizon iPhone

            Sun, January 23, 2011 - 10:52 AM
            "The VI-phone cannot have internet access and phone access simultaneously."

            Oooh, that's an important bit of information. Not necessarily a deal-breaker, but definitely a major inconvenience and something to consider.

            Why is that, anyway? If the iPhone 4 can do that with AT&T, why not with Verizon?
            • Re: Verizon iPhone

              Sun, January 23, 2011 - 11:31 AM
              CDMA does not support simultaneous voice and data communications. It's a limitation of the technology.

              But that's okay, because while GSM HSDPA/HSUPA *does* allow for simultaneous data and voice, AT&T can barely provide either of those two services, so it's not like you can do both simultaneously at the moment, either! :-p
              • Re: Verizon iPhone

                Sun, January 23, 2011 - 11:38 AM
                Yeah, there is that…although you could use VOIP through a tethered device directly to the phone being used. If that is permitted…
                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                  Sun, January 23, 2011 - 11:55 AM
                  If the incoming call will disconnect data even if it's not answered, that would be a major issue. But for me, if I can ignore an incoming call and it doesn't interrupt my data connection, that call will get forwarded to Skype anyway. No problem for me.
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                    Re: Verizon iPhone

                    Sun, January 23, 2011 - 12:09 PM
                    Technically feasible. Not for the faint of heart.
              • Re: Verizon iPhone

                Sun, January 23, 2011 - 1:26 PM
                >>AT&T can barely provide either of those two services<<
                (I can't believe i'm defending ATT)
                Jory, there's 20 million people in Los Angels getting better service with ATT than with spring or verizon. They ARE capable of providing service, they just seem to have a couple of important dead zones. Clearly, you're in the 4% they don't cover.. :)

                Here in LA, we get screaming fast sms transmissions, full 3G bandwidth (as opposed to the terrifically spotty 4G service of other providers), full Edge bandwidth (almost as fast as 3G), clear phone reception in most areas, and enough wifi hotspots to make it worth trying.
                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                  Sun, January 23, 2011 - 4:04 PM
                  Funny, every time I'm in LA I have a really tough time getting service.
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                    Re: Verizon iPhone

                    Mon, January 24, 2011 - 8:32 AM
                    I'm another El Lay person. I switched to AT&T before the iPhone even came out because Verizon and Sprint were terrible for me. I travel all over the city and have never once lost a phone call.

                    I hated Sprint because it had horrible service where I lived and often wouldn't give me voice mail for days after it was made. I switched to Verizon when I discovered I'd have to travel to Minneapolis/ St. Paul on a regular basis. Sprint only claimed spotty coverage while Verizon claimed they blanketed the city.

                    When I got my Verizon line it was better than Sprint--I received calls but they often dropped. However, when I travelled to MSP, all I got was messages that "all lines were in use and that I should try calling later." I switched to AT&T and have had no problems since. Excellent coverage in L.A. and no problems in MSP.

                    People seem to blame the iPhone's problems not on the phone, but on AT&T. Most people don't know it, but cell phone companies usually will refund your money and vacate your contract if you don't get good service in your area. If you have good service with Verizon or AT&T, stay with them. If you'd like the features offered by the other system, get one of the "free" phones they all offer and try it extensively in your area. If it works for you, change your service. If not, return it.
                    • Re: Verizon iPhone

                      Mon, January 24, 2011 - 9:09 AM
                      I would blame the phone if it was indeed the phone. But the fact is that every time I've had difficulties using my iPhone and iPad in LA it's been after getting perfect coverage in other countries, where they actually *regulate* the telecom industry and require a minimum quality of service.
                      • Re: Verizon iPhone

                        Mon, January 24, 2011 - 9:11 AM
                        And I agree with you: they all suck in certain areas. That's the game they've been playing for the past 15 years: "We suck slightly less than the other guy."
                        • Re: Verizon iPhone

                          Tue, January 25, 2011 - 8:33 AM
                          I have heard that AT&T is better in L.A., but since I don't live there, I would never get their service. Verizon WAS spotty here on the SF Peninsula, but they've fixed most of those. I almost never have my phone drop.

                          AT&T has huge spots in SF where it will not work. In the Mission (which is a very popular place to go eat/hang out), and *gasp* it has dead zones in and around AT&T park! If they can't even get their service to work at/near a park with their name on it, they SUCK!
                          (This is info gathered from many, many people. Not just one person saying this.)

                          As a Mac user/lover, I still refused to get the iPhone with AT&T service. There is no way I would ever buy a Mac product just to have substandard service. Now that is coming out to Verizon, I will def give it a try...except now I'm pretty attached to my Google phone.
                          • Re: Verizon iPhone

                            Tue, January 25, 2011 - 11:57 AM
                            Wait a few years if you don't absolutely need a new smart phone. Every year the phones are getting better and better. I hope my Droid las…well, actually, like you, I'm kind of hoping it goes south quickly so I can get the latest in greatest. Alas, if my Droid last as long as the two previous cellphones I've owned, five years each, then I'm going to get one amazing mini-super computer the next time I purchase a phone…in 2015! (And, yeah, they hold their battery charge too--keep'em charged up EVERY night and cellphone batteries last and last in my experience. YMMV.)
              • Re: Verizon iPhone

                Tue, January 25, 2011 - 10:37 PM
                Jory, I have no problem doing both, and frequently do so.
                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                  Tue, January 25, 2011 - 10:41 PM
                  I have a 3GS and have had it long enough to get discounts if I upgraded and renewed my contract. I haven't and don't plan to until the 5 comes out later this year.

                  AT&T must be worried that because I haven't renewed I'm planning to switch to Verizon. Today I received a letter from the telling me how wonderful they are and how fast LTE is (without saying that unless you have a phone that can use it LTE is worthless).
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                    Re: Verizon iPhone

                    Tue, January 25, 2011 - 10:50 PM
                    I hope AT&T is scared shitless. They should be.
                    • Re: Verizon iPhone

                      Thu, February 3, 2011 - 1:26 AM
                      I can't fucking stand AT&T (yes, I live in San Francisco with 50% coverage at best) but I'm still waiting for the iPhone 5 in July.

                      As much as I loath AT&Ts pathetic service, I always use speakerphone while using data services at the same time so the Verizon iPhone 4 can't work for me + I already have the NetShare app so I can tether for free (although it stopped working with iOS 4.2)

                      I guess I'm going to wait until WWDC to see what Apple announces and decide whether to get one of the new Androids or get the iPhone 5 on Verizon's 4G network.
                      • Re: Verizon iPhone

                        Thu, February 3, 2011 - 11:22 AM
                        I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. I have no expectation of an iPhone 5 until next year. I believe they'll rev the current model, but I can't see there being any major changes this year.

                        Instead, I think next year you'll see LTE support and a new design, allowing one device to work on all networks. But Apple is very unlikely to support LTE this year. And don't forget, the White iPhone 4 is supposed to ship in a month or two; how likely do you think it really is that they'll do a major rev to the model a month or two after that?
                        • Re: Verizon iPhone

                          Thu, February 3, 2011 - 3:24 PM
                          Here's the dealbreaker for me on the Verizon iPhern...

                          You can’t talk on an C.D.M.A. phone while you’re online. That is, if you’re on a call, you can’t simultaneously check a Web site or send e-mail over the cellular network — and, annoyingly, the Personal Hotspot feature cuts off. (It reconnects when you hang up.)

                          If the top of your screen says “3G,” an indication that you’re in a high-speed Internet area of Verizon’s network, incoming calls take priority and interrupt your online connection. If you’re online in an older, 2G area, YOU STAY ONLINE AND THE CALL GOES DIRECTLY TO VOICE MAIL.

                          When you exchange long text messages with non-Verizon phones, they get split up into 160-character chunks. G.S.M. phones are smart enough to reconstitute those chunks into one more readable, consolidated message.

                          + how do we know Verizon won't have network problems later this year when the 11 million expected customers buy the Verizon iPhone?

                          I'm going to wait and see what gets announced @ WWDC. I have a feeling that I'm jumping ship to an android if the iPhone 5 doesn't use the LTE network by this summer.
                          • Re: Verizon iPhone

                            Thu, February 3, 2011 - 4:04 PM
                            >>how do we know Verizon won't have network problems<<....
                            yeah, I tried an experiment a while back and turned off all the hugh-speed wireless connections. The Edge network isn't getting used at all now and the speeds I got out of it were comparable to 3G on a packed network.

                            Also, I have a few friends on 4g. They're not particularly happy with it in LA. Although faster when available, apparently the 4g network is a bit like the ATT network in NYC: very patchy and lots of drops.
                          • Re: Verizon iPhone

                            Thu, February 3, 2011 - 4:32 PM
                            Actually, you've got that only partially correct. The data connection is only disconnected if you choose to take the call. The Personal Hotspot doesn't disconnect, just the internet data connection.

                            John Gruber just wrote about it yesterday:

                            • Re: Verizon iPhone

                              Thu, February 3, 2011 - 5:37 PM
                              Hmmm...according to Engadget, the behavior is as you described, not how I thought Gruber described it:

                              A bigger issue may be that while using the Personal Hotspot feature (more on this in a minute), your calls will kill your connection. That means that if you're loading a page on your computer tethered to your phone and you get a call, the page stops loading and doesn't resume until the call stops ringing, or you hang up. It's a seamless transition, but still a bit jarring. If you're a busy person who is going to rely on this feature for connectivity and rely on the iPhone for important calls, this could be a serious issue.

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                                Re: Verizon iPhone

                                Thu, February 3, 2011 - 7:12 PM
                                Coming in late in this LONG string of comments. Rather than read them all just in case, I'm simply going to post this link. So sorry if it's a repeat. It will be a while before I buy my first iPhone using my beloved Verizon, but when I get ready, THEN I'll read details because surely they'll all be different by then.

                                I hope this is helpful:
                                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                  Thu, February 3, 2011 - 10:57 PM
                                  I have a 3GS, and plan to wait for the new iPhone 5. Good thing about being in Australia, is they come unlocked to carrier, so free to move around.
                                  • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                    Tue, February 8, 2011 - 6:52 PM
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                                    • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                      Wed, February 9, 2011 - 3:15 PM
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                                      • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                        Wed, February 16, 2011 - 5:18 PM
                                        This post was pretty active until the phone actually came out. Anyone who made the switch care to comment? My contract is up next month so I am curious.
                                        • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                          Wed, February 16, 2011 - 9:47 PM
                                          A friend of mine switched and has reported to be very happy about it. The more I get dicked around by AT&T, the more I'm feeling willing to pay the "fuck you" fee and switch over right away.

                                          I've promised myself that I'll at least wait until Apple announces the next gen of iPads.
                                          • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                            Wed, February 16, 2011 - 11:36 PM
                                            My contract is up in July and it's only $45 (proactive each month) to early terminate but AT&T said they'd waive that fee because I'm such a pain in their ass. Within the last year they've already waived (3) $130 bills + $170 waived in dropped calls. That's $560 saved for calling and complaining. I'm on the fence about jumping to Verizon because the iPhone 5 in July is rumored to have a larger 4" screen model and a nano version (3.5" screen goes all the way to the edge, ear piece moves up and home button smaller) + the dual processor and one dual GSM/CDMA model. On the other hand my friends say their Vzn iPhones are a day and night difference. They never realized how bad the call quality was until they switched. It sounds like a land line without that weird lossy compression. You can even hear a song perfectly over the phone. Their data works EVERYWHERE!!!!!!
                                            • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                              Thu, February 17, 2011 - 4:32 PM
                                              I think the iPhone 5 rumors for July are bullshit. I don't expect an iPhone 5 until next year.
                                              • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                Thu, February 17, 2011 - 7:09 PM
                                                AT&T gave me 1000 roll over minutes out of the blue, "just because" No one else I spoke to got this.. of course they still have at least a year left on their contract.
                                                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                  Fri, February 18, 2011 - 2:46 PM
                                                  I was afraid if I took those 1000 rollover minutes, they would re-do my contract.

                                                  and what kind of incentive is rollover minutes? How about you buy me a new damn phone if you want to keep me so bad, ATT?
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                                                Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                Thu, February 17, 2011 - 10:40 PM
                                                I agree with Jory on this. I think (and I have read quite a bit) that the next rev iphone will be akin to the 3G to 3GS change.
                                                • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                  Fri, February 18, 2011 - 5:38 PM
                                                  Yes, I think that precisely. It is not like Apple to do major revs every year. On top of that, I don't believe they'll support LTE this year, either, since it's too new and not wide-spread enough. On top of THAT, the White iPhone 4 is still slated to ship soon; you think they're going to ship it and then two months later rev the model 100%? Forget that.

                                                  I think it's more likely that they'll ship the iPhone 4 revved and it'll be a white model, too. The iPhone 5 will be LTE and it'll come next year and support both AT&T and Verizon on one piece of hardware.
                                                  • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                    Wed, February 23, 2011 - 10:09 AM
                                                    iPad 2 is coming out, so it will probably have a new version of the A4 processor. The iPhone4 will probably get that too, which will be faster and less power.

                                                    I got my Verizon iPhone4 this weekend, and it was the right decision. Its awesome.. iPhone 4 bliss with a phone that really works well. No dropped calls!
                                                    • Re: Verizon iPhone

                                                      Thu, February 24, 2011 - 4:43 PM
                                                      (Drat! Now all the amazing bandwidth I had at trade shows with my droid will be hogged up by all these VZ iPhones! Sigh.)
  • Re: Verizon iPhone

    Wed, February 23, 2011 - 10:56 AM
    Did I mention that AT&T gave me a free MicroCell 3G to try and persuade me not to switch? My landlord got one, too, so I took mine to my recording studio and completely failed to get it to work. After 9 phone calls and 21 re-registrations, I gave up. Instead, I asked a neighbor if I could put it on HIS internet connection and it came up in minutes. So now I've got cell coverage at home and at work...except only sort of. My iPhone infrequently automatically switches over to the MicroCell when it's nearby, and the only way to force it is to reboot my iPhone whenever I come home or get to the studio; now THAT is awesome service!

    That said, I did speak with my brother on my iPhone for a whole HOUR on Sunday and didn't get dropped once. It's the first time I've ever completed a phone call using AT&T. Of course, it's only because the cell tower is now in my living room.

    Verizon, here I soon as it makes complete sense to switch.
    • Re: Verizon iPhone

      Wed, February 23, 2011 - 3:37 PM
      Jory , 11.02.23 13:35 hst •
      Did I mention that AT&T gave me a free MicroCell 3G to try and persuade me not to switch?
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