Another PC user takes the plunge

topic posted Tue, January 15, 2008 - 10:56 AM by 
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Greetings! It's time for me to upgrade from PC to Mac, and I have some questions that I'm hoping someone in here doesn't mind answering. I went to an Apple store last night to spend one-on-one time with a "personal shopper" to discuss the iMac (which is the one that I want) and ask my questions, but this girl was dumber than dirt with respect to Macs (she didn't even know that a Mac keyboard has both a backspace key and a delete key, for God's sake), and I feel like I can't trust any of her answers. So I'm hoping some kind souls out there might be able to give me better information.

-- I'll be getting an external hard drive to back up my XP machine for transfer to my iMac, and it sounds like I should just be able to drag-and-drop onto the hard drive from the XP, and then just drag-and-drop onto the iMac from the hard drive. Does this sound right?

-- Is there any way to tell if the iMac I'll be getting has the latest version of OS X? I heard there was a freezing problem that was very recently fixed, but I don't know the version number of OS X that contains the fix (I tried to find it on the internet, but I was unsuccessful), so I don't know how to tell if the shipped version contains the fix.

-- She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt files. Is this true? She said that Pages reads MS Word .doc files just fine, but that plain text files are unreadable on a Mac. This seems unbelievable to me.

-- I have at least one application that I need to keep running under Windows (an old Borland C++ compiler), so I want to run duel operating systems. A more knowledgeable fellow I spoke with last night said that he recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop because it runs more smoothly. Does anyone have thoughts on this? And would you recommend FAT32 or NTFS?

-- Will my virtual Windows machine be able to access files from the Mac part of the hard drive, or will I need to copy the files to the FAT32/NTFS-formatted part of the hard drive before they can be accessed/recognized in Windows?

-- It sounds like the OS X email client is Mail (right?). Both of my primary email accounts are Hotmail, which interfaces with Microsoft Outlook Express. Will Mail sync with Hotmail? If not... I bought two IzyMail accounts to allow my iPhone to receive my Hotmail messages. (I think it acts as a POP3 interface, or something like that.) Does anyone know if IzyMail will allow me to use my Hotmail accounts in Mail?

-- I have an iPhone and I'll be using the iMac for syncing once I receive it, instead of my PC. But the Apple representative said that there's no way to transfer any of the data from the iPhone to the iMac, including the contacts. She said that I'll need to enter all of my contact information by hand into the computer. Is this true?? This, too, seems unbelievable. What do people with 500 or more contacts do? Surely they don't sit there for hours and days on end typing every tiny bit of contact information from their iPhone into their Mac. And she also said that the song library can't be transferred either, which isn't so bad because I can just copy the files from the PC to the Mac, but she said that then I need to re-import every song by hand into iTunes. Is this true as well, or is there a more efficient way to do this? And what about the Calendar, and Notes? (I don't really have any photos, so I'm not worried about that.) Surely Apple has come up with an elegant interface with the iPhone, right?

-- Finally, I'm wondering if there are any Second Life users out there who can tell me how well it works with the 24" iMac with the 2.4GHz processor, 1GB of memory, and ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO graphics card. Would it make any difference if I upgraded to 2GB of memory instead of 1GB?

You have my thanks in advance. I'm *very* excited about owning an iMac, but I admit that dealing with the conversion process has been very stressful, and is likely to get much worse before it gets better. If anyone has any words of wisdom on this process, or specific suggestions, I'd be grateful to hear them.
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  • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

    Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:41 AM
    -- it sounds like I should just be able to drag-and-drop onto the hard drive from the XP, and then just drag-and-drop onto the iMac from the hard drive. Does this sound right?

    No, this doesn't sound right. Mac has a different file table than PC, though if you chose FAT32, OSX can read that natively, and should manage any disk up to 137 GB. You might find other software that lets you read FAT16, and NTSC.

    -- Is there any way to tell if the iMac I'll be getting has the latest version of OS X?

    If you buy it new, you get the latest major version (10.5) then you run "Software Update " (included) to get the latest update (10.5.1, or whatever).

    -- She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt files. Is this true? She said that Pages reads MS Word .doc files just fine, but that plain text files are unreadable on a Mac. This seems unbelievable to me.

    -- I have at least one application that I need to keep running under Windows (an old Borland C++ compiler), so I want to run duel operating systems. A more knowledgeable fellow I spoke with last night said that he recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop because it runs more smoothly. Does anyone have thoughts on this? And would you recommend FAT32 or NTFS?

    -- Will my virtual Windows machine be able to access files from the Mac part of the hard drive, or will I need to copy the files to the FAT32/NTFS-formatted part of the hard drive before they can be accessed/recognized in Windows?

    -- It sounds like the OS X email client is Mail (right?). Will Mail sync with Hotmail?

    Both Out look and Hotmail are Microsoft products (now), which is why they work together. Mail is the simply the default installed product on the Mac, but you may, if you so desire, install the Mac version of outlook. Hotmail also has a web interface that works with most browsers...

    -- I have an iPhone and I'll be using the iMac for syncing once I receive it,

    Moving stuff 'by hand" into iTunes isn't so tough. Just lasso and drag. I'll defer to jory with the iPhone stuff, but it sounds like you got the straight deal. Thing is, you can save your contacts into a list on the PC and import them into Address Book from that file.


    -- Would it make any difference if I upgraded to 2GB of memory instead of 1GB?

    Yes, More memory is always beneficial to performance (within reason), and the max memory option at the apple store is always in the butter zone for high end performance. Minimum configurations are in the zone for occasional internet use and other pre-installed apps.
    • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

      Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:47 AM
      Looks like I skipped a few...

      -- She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt files. Is this true?

      Ridiculous. There's several applications that read .txt files. I think even Preview can read them. Worst case scenario, download a demo of BBEdit and go. Sheesh...

      -- I have at least one application that I need to keep running under Windows (an old Borland C++ compiler), so I want to run duel operating systems. A more knowledgeable fellow I spoke with last night said that he recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop because it runs more smoothly. Does anyone have thoughts on this? And would you recommend FAT32 or NTFS?

      I'm out...

      -- Will my virtual Windows machine be able to access files from the Mac part of the hard drive, or will I need to copy the files to the FAT32/NTFS-formatted part of the hard drive before they can be accessed/recognized in Windows?

      No the files are fine. Most of these virtual things are based on previous programs. In earlier versions, you mounted a specific directory on the Mac side as your F: drive and could share files between the two, there. Not sure how the new ones work, but I'm pretty sure that you have better chances of file sharing with a virtual PC, than with a dual boot system.
    • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

      Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:47 AM
      Thank you very much. :)

      "Thing is, you can save your contacts into a list on the PC and import them into Address Book from that file."

      If you (or anyone else) has details/instructions on how to do this, or knows where I could find instructions on the web, that would be most helpful.
    • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

      Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:57 AM
      "No, this doesn't sound right. Mac has a different file table than PC, though if you chose FAT32, OSX can read that natively, and should manage any disk up to 137 GB. You might find other software that lets you read FAT16, and NTSC."

      So how *do* I copy all of my files from my PC onto my iMac?
      • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

        Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:29 PM
        I think a few corrections are in order, as well as some clarifications:

        -- I'll be getting an external hard drive to back up my XP machine for transfer to my iMac, and it sounds like I should just be able to drag-and-drop onto the hard drive from the XP, and then just drag-and-drop onto the iMac from the hard drive. Does this sound right?

        Yes, you can drag and drop from either an NTFS or FAT32 formatted drive. The ability to read NTFS drives was worked out in 10.4.1 or higher.

        -- Is there any way to tell if the iMac I'll be getting has the latest version of OS X? I heard there was a freezing problem that was very recently fixed, but I don't know the version number of OS X that contains the fix (I tried to find it on the internet, but I was unsuccessful), so I don't know how to tell if the shipped version contains the fix.

        Just for clarification - any new Mac comes with the latest version and, if it's not in the box, you can get the update sent to you after registering.

        -- She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt files. Is this true? She said that Pages reads MS Word .doc files just fine, but that plain text files are unreadable on a Mac. This seems unbelievable to me.

        It should be - TextEdit, which comes standard with every Mac, will read PC text files just fine.

        -- I have at least one application that I need to keep running under Windows (an old Borland C++ compiler), so I want to run duel operating systems. A more knowledgeable fellow I spoke with last night said that he recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop because it runs more smoothly. Does anyone have thoughts on this? And would you recommend FAT32 or NTFS?

        I can't say I've used both enough to make a direct comparison, but I would say you couldn't really go wrong with either one. I use Parallels, FWIW and haven't had any problems. I might go with Fusion today if I had to do it again, though.

        And always use NTFS. FAT32 is an older system and is being phased out.

        -- Will my virtual Windows machine be able to access files from the Mac part of the hard drive, or will I need to copy the files to the FAT32/NTFS-formatted part of the hard drive before they can be accessed/recognized in Windows?

        You will need to copy them, typically to a specific folder, on the NTFS formatted part of the hard drive.

        -- It sounds like the OS X email client is Mail (right?). Both of my primary email accounts are Hotmail, which interfaces with Microsoft Outlook Express. Will Mail sync with Hotmail? If not... I bought two IzyMail accounts to allow my iPhone to receive my Hotmail messages. (I think it acts as a POP3 interface, or something like that.) Does anyone know if IzyMail will allow me to use my Hotmail accounts in Mail?

        You can access your Hotmail accounts from Applemail with this plug-in:

        www.apple.com/downloads/m...lplugin.html

        -- I have an iPhone and I'll be using the iMac for syncing once I receive it, instead of my PC. But the Apple representative said that there's no way to transfer any of the data from the iPhone to the iMac, including the contacts. She said that I'll need to enter all of my contact information by hand into the computer. Is this true?? This, too, seems unbelievable. What do people with 500 or more contacts do? Surely they don't sit there for hours and days on end typing every tiny bit of contact information from their iPhone into their Mac. And she also said that the song library can't be transferred either, which isn't so bad because I can just copy the files from the PC to the Mac, but she said that then I need to re-import every song by hand into iTunes. Is this true as well, or is there a more efficient way to do this? And what about the Calendar, and Notes? (I don't really have any photos, so I'm not worried about that.) Surely Apple has come up with an elegant interface with the iPhone, right?

        I don't know who told you this, but when you connect your iPhone to your Mac, all info will sync between the two, including contacts, calendars, etc.

        docs.info.apple.com/article.html

        -- Finally, I'm wondering if there are any Second Life users out there who can tell me how well it works with the 24" iMac with the 2.4GHz processor, 1GB of memory, and ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO graphics card. Would it make any difference if I upgraded to 2GB of memory instead of 1GB?

        STrongly recommend 2GB or more! SL works great on those machines, btw...!

        -You have my thanks in advance. I'm *very* excited about owning an iMac, but I admit that dealing with the conversion process has been very stressful, and is likely to get much worse before it gets better. If anyone has any words of wisdom on this process, or specific suggestions, I'd be grateful to hear them.

        You can contact me directly if you like for more info. I work on Macs and PC's on a daily basis and can walk you through most issues you may encounter...
  • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

    Tue, January 15, 2008 - 12:16 PM
    -- She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt
    files. Is this true?

    Ridiculous. There's several applications that read .txt files. I
    think even Preview can read them. Worst case scenario, download a
    demo of BBEdit and go. Sheesh...

    Macs come with TextEdit which will read and write txt files.

    -- I have at least one application that I need to keep running under
    Windows (an old Borland C++ compiler), so I want to run duel
    operating systems. A more knowledgeable fellow I spoke with last
    night said that he recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop
    because it runs more smoothly. Does anyone have thoughts on this?
    And would you recommend FAT32 or NTFS?

    I'm out...

    OS 10.5 Leopard comes with Boot Camp which allows you to boot your computer in Windows. I believe you need XP Service Pack 2 installers for this to work.

    -- It sounds like the OS X email client is Mail (right?). Will Mail
    sync with Hotmail?

    Both Out look and Hotmail are Microsoft products (now), which is why
    they work together. Mail is the simply the default installed product
    on the Mac, but you may, if you so desire, install the Mac version
    of outlook. Hotmail also has a web interface that works with most
    browsers...

    The Mac version of Outlook is Entourage.
    • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

      Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:45 PM
      "The Mac version of Outlook is Entourage."

      No. Both are combined email/PIM programs that can read POP3 email, but they are very different beasts under the hood. The last time I checked Entourage can access Hotmail "natively" but Exchange server support from Entourage has never been as robust as MSFT would have folks believe. Outlook does things with many Exchange server configurations that Entourage simply does not, especially around scheduling and shared address books.
  • Most of This "Advice" was Bogus

    Tue, January 15, 2008 - 11:39 PM
    Q1: I'll be getting an external hard drive to back up my XP machine for transfer to my iMac [SNIP]

    A1: Yes, you can easily copy files FROM an NTFS drive to the Mac and write files to FAT16 or FAT32 from within Mac OS X. Disk format is different from file format, however, so don't expect Windows-only files such as Publisher to work with Mac programs. For most files this is not an issue, but Windows-only programs with proprietary file formats are still that, and copying the file may not help much.

    Q2: Is there any way to tell if the iMac I'll be getting has the latest version of OS X?

    A2: The store should be able to tell from the box, and the version of OS X which is installed is also printed (in very small letters) on the restore discs which come with each machine. If your iMac comes with 10.4 (Tiger) pre-installed, there will be a second 10.5 (Leopard) "CPU Drop-In" disc which you can use to install 10.5 from, but you may very well need to update to 10.5.1 or whatever is current when you get your machine. These upgrades are all free.

    Q3: She said that there's no way in OS X to view/edit plain PC .txt files. Is this true? She said that Pages reads MS Word .doc files just fine [snip]

    A3: OS X is based on BSD Unix, and Macs have always been able to read plain text files. A pound's a pound the world around and ASCII is ASCII. Pages can convert Word .doc files but for maximum compatibility you will probably want to get the Mac version of Office. If you purchase it as an OEM when you buy your iMac it may save you a little money. Word has many weird, program-specific features (such as their implementation of "track changes" which do not work with other programs), although TextEdit can read and write .doc/.rtf (similar to Wordpad in Windows). Pages is not a replacement for Word but an alternative to Word for a certain flavor of user.

    Q4: [snip] recommends VMware Fusion to Parallels Desktop because it runs more smoothly [snip]

    A4: I know lots of folks who are happy with Parallels and Boot Camp but no one who is using VMWare, but I wouldn't bother to try. If you use Parallels it creates a virtual environment which is its own deal, while Boot Camp may have required NTFS at one point. When you partition the hard drive using a tool such as Boot Camp you must worry about such things, but not with Parallels.

    Q5: Will my virtual Windows machine be able to access files from the Mac part of the hard drive, or will I need to copy the files to the FAT32/NTFS-formatted part of the hard drive before they can be accessed/recognized in Windows?

    A5: If you use Parallels there is an option to create shared folders accessible from either environment, and this is simpler for most people. Other options include copying things to a FAT USB Flash Drive or enabling Windows Sharing on OS X, but for most users the Parallels shared folders are easiest.

    Q6: It sounds like the OS X email client is Mail (right?). Both of my primary email accounts are Hotmail, which interfaces with Microsoft Outlook Express. Will Mail sync with Hotmail? If not... I bought two IzyMail accounts to allow my iPhone to receive my Hotmail messages. (I think it acts as a POP3 interface, or something like that.) Does anyone know if IzyMail will allow me to use my Hotmail accounts in Mail?

    A7: Last time I checked Hotmail was NOT POP3 or IMAP compliant, nor is it Exchange Server. It is its own weird beast. There used to be plug-ins that would allow Mail.app to access Hotmail but they were often sketchy. Hotmail on the Mac is simplest as a webmail app, accessed through a web interface. Most people find it simpler to get a better free email provider such as GMail.

    OS X's Mail.app is the default email client that ships with OS X but you can use a variety of clients. Other current favorites include Thunderbird and I would suggest a completely different thread to ask about Hotmail access from the Mac. I am not familiar with IzyMail. Just as you are not limited to Safari as your only web browser or TextEdit as your only word processor, there is no reason to use Mail.app if it does not appeal to you. Entourage has historically been a foul beast that keeps all of your data in a single file which is prone to corruption, often causing total loss of data. My general advice is to avoid Entourage if you can, but maybe the newest version will work. Really. Maybe. Pretty please.

    Q8: I have an iPhone and I'll be using the iMac for syncing once I receive it, instead of my PC. [snip]

    A8: If this were true (and I doubt it is) someone will come up with a tool to solve this. It would surprise me if this were true, but I have no direct experience to disprove it.

    Q9: Finally, I'm wondering if there are any Second Life users out there who can tell me how well it works with the 24" iMac with the 2.4GHz processor, 1GB of memory, and ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO graphics card. Would it make any difference if I upgraded to 2GB of memory instead of 1GB?

    A9: More RAM makes everything better (insert customary "first life" joke here) and I would suggest maxing out the machine with 4GB, especially if you'll be doing a lot of stuff with MS Windows. One huge advantage of Parallels is that it will work with most modern flavors of Windows, including XP with or without SP2.

    A10: If you can find a local user group, that would be a great place to check out, just to see if there is anything there for you. Everything you describe seems very doable, and it would surprise me if this person who gave you this "advice" is still working there the next time you swing by.
  • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 12:49 AM
    First of, congratulations. Secondly, the frequent posters you find here are far more savy than I to address your Tech. Inquirys however, I did want to pass on advice that I got from this group. For your RAM upgrades I recommend eshop.macsales.com/
    I took the groups advice and saved myself nearly $200. For your system you will probably save more.

    All the best
    • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:11 AM
      Yes, go with 4GB memory and buy it from OWC (the link provided above). I saved over $500!
      • Re: Another PC user takes the plunge

        Fri, January 18, 2008 - 11:34 PM
        Greetings again everyone! I kept wanting to come back in here and post, but I told myself I wouldn't do it until everything was done. And it's done! Thanks to all of you, I was able to do *every single thing* I wanted to do.

        On Tuesday evening I bought a 24" iMac with a 2.4GHz processor and 1GB of memory. The biggest, coolest thing is that I was able to do something that everyone told me wasn't possible: Migrate my *entire* XP machine -- not just the data, but the full machine, including software, Windows settings, etc. -- onto my iMac. No external hard drive required! It's as though I just took my laptop and inserted it directly into my Mac. I did it with a Parallels Desktop feature called Parallels Transporter. It creates an exact duplicate of your actual XP machine into your virtual XP machine on your Mac. It's unfriggingbelievable. Creating a network between my XP and my iMac was the hardest part (I am SO not an IT person), but after that it was completely painless. It takes care of every damn thing. And now my iMac is networked with my *virtual* XP machine, so all the XP files are available to the iMac operating system through the XP's directory structure.

        I was also able to import all of my contacts and calendar events from my iPhone onto my iMac. The instructions are on Apple's support site. It's just part of the regular syncing process, and yet *two separate employees* at the Apple store said it wasn't possible. That just blows me away. And after setting up my virtual XP, importing my music library from the XP's iTunes into the iMac's iTunes was a piece of cake. :)

        And, again thanks to you guys, I bought and installed 4GB of memory for under $100. Apple charges an extra $850 for 4MB of memory on my model, so y'all saved me **$750 freaking dollars**!! If you hadn't mentioned it, I would have had no clue.

        I should have been keeping notes while I was doing all of this for "Helpful suggestions for PC to Mac newbies" such as myself. The most recent note would be: If you've purchased the iMac aluminum model, the phillips P2 screwdriver that they tell you to use to remove the RAM cover DOES NOT WORK. In fact, I tried five different phillips screwdrivers and none of them worked. I was afraid I was going to strip the screw. So I did some digging, and it seems that tons of people have this problem. It turns out that the solution is to use a 3/32" head regular *flathead* screwdriver, and it worked like a little charm with practically no effort. Plus, the documentation doesn't explain that the screw isn't supposed to come out, just loosen, so a few turns is all you need. A *lot* of people have been mislead and frustrated by that, too. Or that you have to pry the cover off with a teeny screwdriver or a paper clip or a toothpick or something like that. They really dropped the ball writing the instructions.

        Maybe one of these days I'll try to put something together with what I've learned during this process, so that others might benefit from my many mistakes and turmoils, but I'm not sure that I can. I've done SO much over the last three days, and I wasn't keeping notes, except for what I posted in here and the Mac Tech Support tribe.

        In any case, I couldn't have done all of this without you guys, and I'm deeply grateful. You're a wonderful bunch. :)

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