I have ALL My stuff backed on a Maxtor external HD which just disappeared from my desk top. When I tried to find verify or repair it I get this message
invalid b tree node size
Volume check failed
ERROR: Files System verify or repair failed
PLEASE TELL ME The information is recoverable. Anybody know what I can do?
invalid b tree node size
Volume check failed
ERROR: Files System verify or repair failed
PLEASE TELL ME The information is recoverable. Anybody know what I can do?
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 11:32 PMDiskwarrior is AWESOME! Thank you. It fixed the issue with out any problems, I am currently backing up 580gb onto a new drive now. This should take a day or so since I couldn't afford a firewire drive, but hey once the initial backup is done, the periodic back ups shouldn't take as long , right? -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 8:50 AMCouldn't "afford" a firewire drive? They don't cost really any more than USB. You just have to look places other than Best Buy and other PC-centric stores. -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:56 AMUhmm We're in a recession right now and sometimes the difference between 120.00 and 140.00 is the difference between being able to put gas in the car or food on the table for a day.
If you have advice on where TO look instead of where NOT to look that would be more helpful and appreciated -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:21 AM< We're in a recession right now and sometimes the difference between 120.00 and 140.00 is the difference between being able to put gas in the car or food on the table for a day. >
The extra $20 is justifiably spent to keep you alive, considering your life has already ended once in this thread. :-)
I like newegg.com. I've heard others like good ol' amazon.com. Other vendors which get recognition in here with some regularity:
macsales.com/
www.powermax.com
I'm sure there are others.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 11:06 AMFAQ on this tribe, plus maybe 20 or 30 posts on the subject of external HD should have a few ideas. Perhaps everyone is tired of constantly repeating themselves. I bought a 160GB seagate with 5 year warrenty for $70, and a cheap firewire enclosure for $20. So, Uhmmmm, it can be done for cheap. -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 11:50 AMThank you for saying what I've been avoiding yet again.
Tribe actually *does* have a search function. Go figure, eh?
One more note to add:
I understand that we're in a recession. I also understand that $20 difference can be a big one. And you'll do what you feel is necessary. My recommendation is not to fall into the American trap of only counting the tangibles. How much is your TIME worth to you? If you lose data because you had to wait 14 hours to copy data via USB that could have been copied in 2 hours on FireWire, was a savings of $20 worth it? -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 1:05 PMYou know what confuses me?
I asked for help. I got the help. Then I got what read as a dig for my error. And somehow I am feeling like because I wound up in this situation, I should be pelted with tomatoes.
I came to tribe from a long absence, because I was working on a project where I needed answers. I regard this to be a good source, and usually friendly people. I guess if thirty six people ask the same question, what difference does it make?
We're not all on line at the same time. So I'm selfish. I started a new thread asking for advice. At first when everyone said "Diskwarrior" I was pleased.. Thank you all for sending me that. Now this thread has become a place for people to complain because I mis represented the hardrive as a back up (It was, then it became storage I still referred to it as Back up) Then my finances come under fire.
Maybe I'm misreading, I fully understand what people are trying to say, but it seems that people have a bit of a nasty undertone.
I answered someones question in another thread, I answered in detail what that person could do. it was a simple question I answered before and I am sure I will see it asked again by some one else. If I do, I will answer it again with the same detail. Maybe they didn't see when it was asked before, who cares they're asking now.
We're not all sitting in the same classroom. We're not even in the same state or country. It doesn't hurt to be a little nicer, when offering help. The only time I open this particular tribe is when I need something (Selfish me) or have time to kill and think I might learn something or offer something. I'm not here daily or even weekly.
It makes it hard to say thank you when you feel like you're being poked at. I don't have thin skin and when I walk away I will forget all about this, I am just expressing my opinion. I am done with this thread, I probably won't return to it. I hope when the next person needs the same advice, I get there before someone with a smug response does, so I can simply tell them "Diskwarrior" and "Suggest" they get a second HD and not question them whether they can afford a USB or FIREWIRE.
I may have set myself up with MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE, but that was how I felt when I tried everything I knew to recover the data and failed. I didn't have Diskwarrior (Which cost 99.00 plus tax) and then have to go out and get a second drive for back up. I didn't fall into the American trap of only counting the tangibles. I fell into the American trap of unemployment & limited funds. I didn't have what I didn't have and no advice in the world could manifest it. Now if you would like to pay me to script doctor for you... Then I promise I would not only get fire wire but RAID.
In the meantime newegg, Whoo hoo.. I'll look at them. Thank you all for your advice.
Peace love and understanding.
Always all ways :) C'mon smile... you know it's better than wanting to write back something nasty. I probably won't see it any way. Friends? :) -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 1:30 PMI'm sorry you're reading my comments as an attack. They are not meant to be. I am merely trying to be helpful and point out what I consider to be helpful advice that some do not have a similar perspective on. As I said before, you will do what is right by you. I understand that. I'm not thinking any less of you as a person for buying USB instead of FireWire. But I want you to be well informed about the decision you are making.
Unfortunately, text can be taken in so many ways that there's really no possible way to predict how another person's internal filter will interpret what I wrote. So I'm sorry if you found my comments hostile. They were never intended as such.
At the same time, consider that there are nearly 7,000 members of this forum. I have been the moderator for about 2 or 3 years now and the forum pre-dates my leadership by at least 2 years. Yes, technology changes over time and some of the info that has been covered in this forum is dated. But in the past couple months we have had the "what hard drive should I buy" question come up so frequently that it is clear that a majority of question askers do not even attempt to solve their own problems, but simply want the quick, easy solution of having someone tell them what they should do/buy.
Note that there are, I would estimate, about 20-30 folks in this forum who actively attempt to help the remaining 6970 with their questions, problems, and comments. I would say that's even a high estimate. Personally, I don't really have much time to spend answering questions anymore. I used to spend on order of 2-4 hours in this Tribe every day. I'm sure many long-time members have noticed I've barely been on here for more than 15-30 minutes each day over the past year, if even that much. Sure, I don't have to answer every question. Someone will probably answer if I don't. But if the same questions keep coming up over and over again and are easily answerable by using Tribe's search function, doesn't that make the whole forum less useful for everyone?
I'm not saying you're post was unnecessary. Aside from the slightly over dramatic subject line, you had a question you didn't know how to answer, were likely in a bit of a panic, and you received fairly quick help about using DiskWarrior. That same scenario has happened many times on this forum. Sometimes the answer isn't "Get DiskWarrior" and might be more involved. But the folks who are on here as much as their minimal free time allows sometimes get a little tetchy when easily-found solutions are not taken advantage of.
I can't tell you how many times I've had to answer the question of "is there an application than can do x"? Some of the less tactful members have answered simply with the URL of Google in the past.
I hope that what you'll take away from this experience is that search functions are here to help you just as much as we are. And the knowledgeable people here will try their best to get you an intelligent, non-demeaning answer to your questions so long as you respect the fact that we have very limited time.
Please don't take this as an attack on you. It's a good lesson for pretty much everyone on this forum.
So let's move on.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:37 PMDidn't Seagate buy Maxtor? -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:44 PMYes. Maxtor is now the low end mechanisms from Seagate. I've honestly had very few problems with the Maxtor drives I've bought, but I don't consider them to be anywhere near enterprise quality. I always buy Seagates whenever possible.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 3:20 AMHmm, never been particularly fond of that brand, but it does sound like you could benefit from this program called
Disk Warrior
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 6:39 PMafter DiskWarrior tells you something....
Data Rescue II
but then.... Maxtor doesn't have a good rep...
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 6:50 PMAlso, not to be any more of an a$$ than I am already reputed to be, BUT
If the data ONLY exists on your external drive, it is NOT a backup drive. Backup drives are where you keep duplicates of files, not the original or only copies. That way, if the original media (say your computer's internal drive) OR the backup media should fail, there's no real panic because the data can be easily restored from the OTHER media.
If your data only exists on one media, you're not backed up.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 11:29 PMSo what's your point?
Other than just to point something out that isn't helpful -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:15 AMActually Mr Kitty is giving you very helpful advice
"If your data only exists on one media, you're not backed up"
If your data is very valuable, it's a good idea to have even more than just one backup.
I use Time Machine and also I periodically create a bootable complete clone backup to another firewire drive.
Makes it hard to have failure of ANY one drive (as you say) "end my life" -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:52 AMI believe it was just the way it was stated... I know what he was saying and I am aware of having a "back up". However the thread was started to ask if I could recover information.
If someone feels the need to start a statement with "not to be any more of an a$$ than I am already reputed to be, BUT .."
Maybe they should rethink what they are about to say or how they are about to say it.
Sometimes good advice can be lost because of the way it's presented.
Was it a "Back up drive"? Initially it was. Then it became storage because of space issues. I am sorry that I referred to it still as my Back up drive, Without divulging too much info - I didn't, at the time, have the money to buy another drive. I don't believe there is any one of us that hasn't ever been in that situation.
Time went by and things were working just fine. Then like Pearl Harbor BOOM! I woke up and there was a problem. No warning and I was caught unprepared. I needed to know if I could recover the information. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SUGGESTED DISKWARRIOR.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:24 AMEasy, Skipper. You came here for help and you got it early on. Folks here are just encouraging you to be EXTRA prepared. I'm sure this experience has frazzled you, what with you typing all this from the next-dimension and all, but no one here has presented you with even the slightest invective.
Relax. You got it fixed. And you got extra advice on being extra-prepared.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:44 AMoh, i'm sorry if i didn't feel the need to sugar-coat the reality for you. if you want a candy coated pill, perhaps you should pay the $120 per hour that my firm charges for my time.
i debated several different ways to say it, and waited for other (more diplomatic) people to say it for me, but your original post called your external a backup drive, and yet you were freaking out about losing the data. if it WERE a backup drive, there would be no freakout, so obviously that point needed to be clarified.
and one finally tip, btree errors are volume formatting errors. the hdd itself is likely not damaged. the volume was corrupt. which is why we all recommended diskwarrior on this, and 500 threads before it. -
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:35 PMMR. K
I disagree, But then again, I don't get 120.00 per hour. If you waited to say something that a bunch of other people already said, why did you feel the need to say it? It was said, and with out having to try and make a person feel bad.
Mr. K You are obviously antagonistic, whether your "advice" is good or not. Your advice is appreciated, you don't need any of the other stuff that goes with it. You might find someone might even say "Thank you"
I appreciate this bit of information as well.
"and one finally tip, btree errors are volume formatting errors. the hdd itself is likely not damaged. the volume was corrupt. which is why we all recommended diskwarrior on this, and 500 threads before it."
I feel safer. I have Diskwarrior, and a new drive.
And thanks for pointing out the other 500 threads, I am sure that to made you feel good to stick it in my face that some one else may have needed the same advice and I wasn't there to see it or read it.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 1:12 PM*chuckles*
Don't you understand how internet forums work? Especially computer-oriented forums? N00BS get harassed, hazed, whatever you wanna call it, if they don't follow simple, probably clearly stated rules before asking a question. Yes, we all understand you're not well-versed in the intricacies of your mac, and losing your data is obvious a HUGE deal. But long time contributors get sick of answering the same questions over and over again, when your answer could easily have been found by a simple search or by reading this tribe's FAQ. Again, that's all clearly stated here.
So if you're going to be lazy, don't expect a rosy response. Granted, Mr K is hilariously antagonistic, but don't take it personally. I'm almost positive this has nothing to do with you personally.
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Re: MAXTOR HAS ENDED MY LIFE
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 6:08 AM>So what's your point?
If you were truly backed up your "life" would not be ending!
MAXTOR sucks. What were you thinking?
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