iPhoto database

topic posted Wed, April 11, 2007 - 7:30 PM by  // John
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I screwed up!
I did an "Import to Library" on my entire drive _and_ my Windows XP partition. Ugg, now there are 5000+ thumbnails in iPhoto. I would just like to delete the whole database and start over.
Is that possible?

TIA
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// John
SF Bay Area
  • Re: iPhoto database

    Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:31 AM
    Look for the "iPhoto" folder in your "Pictures" folder, drag it to the trash and empty the trash.

    I strongly recommend against using iPhoto unless you have a specific reason to use it. It puts your imported photos in a screwy folder structure that is extremely difficult to use in other graphics programs, or for locating a specific file or folder. It causes the computer to run really slow. It also seems to create duplicates for no good reason, creating a maintenance nightmare. The only reason I can think why Apple chose to do this is to force people to keep using iPhoto from the difficulty of the obscure folder structure, rather than from the merit of the program. Once people get "stuck" in iPhoto, they can't get out! I've had several friends ask me to help them with this.

    If you ever want to use the photos in other programs, like Photoshop, or organize your photos using a folder structure to your liking, or want to put them on disks to share with clients/friends, those tasks become nearly impossible if you store your photos in iPhoto.

    Instead I recommend simply using the Finder to organize your photos, and then open or browse them in any graphics program. I recommend Graphic Converter (available through VersionTracker.com). It's "Browse Folder" feature can be set up to look just like iPhoto, but it works with any pre-existing folder structure you create. If you own Photoshop that also has a similar browse feature.

    I recommend not using a USB cable between your camera and the computer, relying on a program to download your photos. The program will put photos in places where you might not be able to find them. Instead just mount the storage card in the Finder (with a card reader) and drag the photos from the storage disk to your hard drive. Create a folder structure of your own liking, where you will easily know where things are. If the name includes the date then all your photos will show up in chronological order in the finder. For example my folders are named "2007-03 Hawaii", "2006-09 Burning Man", etc.

    Once the photos are stored in a good folder structure you can open them in any program. You can even open them in iPhoto, but if you do, iPhoto will create duplicates of tho photos inside its own "iPhoto" folder with the screwy folder structure. You can just delete the whole iPhoto folder again when you are done, to remove the duplicates. iPhoto does have a nice slide show feature.

    Dave
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:37 AM
      Amen
      I am in the process of trying to recover my photos from iPhoto. It sucks, and I can't wait to get them all sorted and re-named, and delete whatever iPhoto files I can find.

      I will miss the tagging, though.
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:48 AM
      Amen. Basically, content management is an issue, and the compromises that iPhoto makes to manage your photo assets, mean that it doesn't play well with others outside of the iLife suite. Otherwise, it kind of sucks ass. I have payed with Aperture, Light Room, and Photo Mechanic, any of those are worth it for the serious amateur.
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:51 AM
      You obviously have no idea how to use iPhoto

      "f you ever want to use the photos in other programs, like Photoshop, or organize your photos using a folder structure to your liking, or want to put them on disks to share with clients/friends, those tasks become nearly impossible if you store your photos in iPhoto."

      With one click iPhoto will open the selected photo in Photo shop or any other editing program you choose
      You can drag& drop any photo to the desktop to do any thing you want with it,
      You can select a group of photos and email then using mac Mail or GMail from within iPhoto

      Also - if you check iPhoto prefs - you can choose to have your photos stored in folders of your choice instead of within iPhoto library.

      Before you slam a program - learn how to use it!
      • Re: iPhoto database

        Tue, April 17, 2007 - 1:36 PM
        I don't think that is a valid comment. Yes, iPhoto has more utility than I gave it credit for, but not much. If it was a real professional solution, or even the best general solution, then why would Apple have bothered to create Aperture?
        • iPhoto is A Snapshot Program

          Tue, April 17, 2007 - 1:43 PM
          iPhoto is what it is, and can do a lot in the hands of someone who understands it. That being said, it is not Lightroom or Aperture or a professional content-management solution. Folks who complain about this remind me of people who used to complain that AppleWorks was not PageMaker or Excel, which is true. So what?

          The target audience for iPhoto is the basic home user or an average person who wants to manage a fairly small number of images in a fairly simple way. Not every car needs to be a Mazeratti, Prius or BMW.
      • Re: iPhoto database

        Tue, April 17, 2007 - 3:20 PM
        maybe you're right... I should mess around with the preferences more before i trash it completely. The biggest beef I have is that when I rename a photo, I want to rename the file. Period. I don't ever want to find DSC_31432 or whatever, ever again! Is there a way to make iPhoto do that for real?
        • Re: iPhoto database

          Tue, April 17, 2007 - 3:57 PM
          I don't think you can rename the actual file from within iPhoto. One way around that is to rename your pics before you dump them into iPhoto.
          o
          If you rename your photos within iPhoto - you don't have to deal with the original arcane names anymore. You don't have to dig around in your folders to find photos - use the iPhoto interface for that.

          If you use keywords - you can search and select through them. I highly recommend the plug-in, Keyword Assistant

          www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14092
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Tue, April 17, 2007 - 3:25 PM
      I like using iPhoto.

      Whenever I want to use an image I just simply drag it to the desktop, open in Photoshop and do what I want. When I want to send pictures to friends I select a few and click on the email button and off they go. No redudancy.

      When I want to find a picture I can do so visually. I can just add photos to iPhoto and not have to worry about categorizing them or organizing them. They are just there in the browser waiting for me to find them. No more going through one file at a time to find the one that I want (with preview in the Finder)

      I put all my images (pictures sent in emails, picts i like from the web or pictures of weird obscure things I see on ebay (in Safari Control+Click and a drop down allows you to save in iPhoto, cool!) into iPhoto simply because they are easy to locate and easy to back-up. I can also have multiple libraries so all the pictures for my video project are in one library that I open only when I am working on the project.

      It's organization software it's not Photoshop (nor has it ever pretended to be).

      Apeture is a much more detailed and complex program. With lossless alterations and different category schemes. (It's not Photoshop either). Apeture runs in the Ram and Video Ram and really takes a lot of resources.

      It works well.

      I don't get what people are bitching about.
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:08 PM
      In spite of what the iPhoto experts have stated already, I have to say that I agree with the advice that you are giving to your friends. iPhoto has a problem of inter-operability with non-Apple applications.

      I used to have all my pictures well organized in a shared Samba file server in my home network. We accessed those files without problems from our XBOX Media Center (nice slideshows on the TV), and from Windows and Linux PCs. No program attempted to run the show on its way, or make it incompatible with the programs in other operative systems. All ran fine until my wife decided to buy a Macbook.

      She choose that she wanted to use this pretty program to import all the new pictures. To avoid having two versions of our pictures library I imported the old pictures into iPhoto too. A few weeks later I decided that it was time to refresh the network picture library with the new pictures to (in addition of having a backup copy), being able to access them from any other computing devices in my home. This is when I discovered that iPhoto does not like to play nice with other programs.

      I can make backups from the Pictures folder to my file server to prevent loosing them in case of a hard disk failure, but I cannot access them (at least, not easily) from other PC. My plan was using a utility like scheduled rsync scripts to make fast incremental synchronization between the photos on the MacBook to the file server, but now I see that my only option is to manually Export the pictures every few weeks.

      And BTW, I recently learned that you can leave your Original photos on the original folder, but I do not know if it will also store new and modified photos on the original folder too. That might solve MY problem and the cost of performance at my wife's laptop, if it works. Please confirm.
      Thanks.
  • Trash and Reimport

    Tue, April 17, 2007 - 1:38 PM
    At the risk of answering the question, yes. But did you ever have a good working iPhoto library with tags and albums and such?

    If all you want to do is to reimport the photos from an XP partition I would suggest quitting iPhoto and going to your OS X home folder. Within the home folder there is a folder called "Pictures" which contains a folder called "iPhoto Library," which is the default place for iPhoto to copy and store your photos as well as its own, program-specific information. If you delete or rename this folder to something (I suggest "iPhoto Library A") and then restart iPhoto it will create a new, empty iPhoto Library folder.

    You may now reimport the XP partition by itself.

    If you had a working iPhoto library with albums and such beforehand, it is simplest to go to your albums or smart albums and burn those to DVD from within iPhoto, then do as above and add them back into your new iPhoto library from the DVD.
  • Re: iPhoto database

    Tue, April 17, 2007 - 11:18 PM
    Simeon, Aperture uses a similar file structure like iPhoto's, so dont know where you're getting info from. Actually, its all in one big database file where the actual pics cant even be accessed without going deep in the finder with special tools. Much deeper than iPhoto's library.

    And really now. Are some of you all seriously telling this poor guy to make his own folder structure to store everything in?? Yeah, that'll work for a few photos. Maybe even a few hundred. But, what happens years down the road?? A complete nightmare, thats what. So, thats just stupid, no offense.

    The iPhoto library folder IS NOT meant to be accessed directly. Do everything from the application. Thats so in 10 years when you got 40K photos, you can manage them in iPhoto's albums, smart folders, etc without going crazy looking through some big folder structure thats a mile long.

    Messing with folder structures for any media files is a very ass backwards & PC way of thinking of things, so just don't. You'll be glad you didnt once your media library's grow. And if you guys find it slow, turn off Outline/Drop Shadow in the preferences. Making your thumbs small as possible will help too. Rebuild your library/thumbnails once a month by holding in the Apple+Option keys while you launch iPhoto. That'll help too. Seriously, its fast as hell once you do those things & I got THOUSANDS of photos living in my iPhoto. I still use Photoshop/Aperture too & they all "speak" to each other nicely. But, I use iPhoto as my main storage database & for making small edits.

    John, you can just delete everything from the iPhoto app or drag the iPhoto library folder itself to the trash. It will re-generate when you launch iPhoto again. You can still use the "add to library" option under File, just DO NOT select the entire Windows HD next time, so it wont bring over every random image, cache images, etc. Select the root folder wherever your photos live (like the "My Pictures" folder). You'll be good to go then as iPhoto will bring over everything in that folder instead of importing them one by one. If you got other random folders somewhere else on your HD, just locate the main folders & add them the same way.

    Don't let people discourage you from using iPhoto. Its a great app. And you can build albums, slideshows, smart albums, etc inside iPhoto instead of somewhere off on your hard drive. Cheers...Kerry
    • Re: Where's are my photos?

      Wed, April 18, 2007 - 3:13 PM
      I'm happy and amused I caused so much reaction.
      I will admit I may have exaggerated my claim that it stinks. But I have to say that very recently I spent more time helping friends find their images lost in the file structure that iPhoto creates, than in showing them how to use graphics programs. I also found multiple duplicate folders with same photos in them, basically an organizational nightmare.

      If you are comfortable just using iPhoto as your only photo program ever, or if you are comfortable *requiring* the use of iPhoto's browser in order open photos in a different program, or if you don't care about the possibility of ever being able to find your photos in the Finder, iPhoto may serve you well. This might account for 50% of iPhoto users. But whenever I give friends advice I try to lead them on a track that empowers them to understand file organization, choice of programs and self-reliance. I just feel iPhoto doesn't lead people on that path. I agree with people's statements about some of its merits, but I fell it's hard to refute these downfalls I'm describing.

      The point someone made that you can set the preferences to leave existing folders intact is well taken, but most of my iPhoto user friends wouldn't think to do that until they are already locked in. Then they call me when they want to burn a disk of their images and can't find them in the Finder. That's a serious and recurring issue.
      • Re: Where's are my photos?

        Wed, April 18, 2007 - 3:26 PM
        Under the Share menu click "Burn"
        No hunting, searching - just select photos and.......click
        • Re: Where are my photos?

          Wed, April 25, 2007 - 4:35 PM
          1) You want to create a data CD that has a collection of some photos, and mp3s, and some important documents of some other type. You can't in iPhoto. You can with the Finder's built-in CD burning utility, but that requires that you can find your all your files in the Finder. For reasons I describe earlier in this discussion this is usually an impossible task. So you would have to burn 2 disks, one of just the photos using iPhoto, and another for everything else using the Finder.

          2) You already own Photoshop (or Graphic Converter, Gimp, etc.) and want to use it for all your photo needs, previewing photo shoots, opening pictures individually and touching up. If photos are stored in iPhoto, you are required to have iPhoto running concurrently with Photoshop and required to use it to preview and select files, to "send" to the other program. You can't use Photoshop's image preview utility because it shows the Finder's real folder structure.

          3) Friends who recently migrated from Windows are sensitive to problems they have on a Mac that they didn't on the PC, and I this caused buyers remorse with more than one friend. "I want to burn a CD with photos and other stuff, I'm using the Burn Utility. Where are my photos?" I can't help them. Should I care? I tell them about good graphics programs to use as an alternative.

          Enjoy the workarounds, I'm happy people love the program.

          </rant>
          • Re: Where are my photos?

            Wed, April 25, 2007 - 6:12 PM
            1) create burn folder in finder on desktop, select photos in iPhoto and drag them into the folder.
            2) so? bridge isn't so wonderful itself. besides, as stated you could just tell iPhoto to not organize your pictures.
            3) see #1, but really... from windows to mac and their worried about iPhoto? psh.
          • Re: Where are my photos?

            Wed, April 25, 2007 - 6:52 PM
            #1. Like Mr Kitty said, create a Burn Folder on the desktop & drag what photos you want directly from iPhoto to the burn folder. HOWEVER, that makes an actual copy of the file. So how do you just make an alias to the file like the Finder does?? Well, just hold in Option + Command while you drag. Presto, creates aliases instead of copies. Then, add whatever other file types you want to the folder.

            #2. Photoshop isnt meant to be a storage hub for thousands of photos.

            #3. No offense, but if you cant help your PC switcher friends with small "problems" like this, maybe they're asking the wrong person because every gripe you've had with iPhoto has been proven wrong.

            Again, no offense. But it sounds like you just didnt take the time to learn how to use iPhoto or some simple Finder actions.
      • Re: Where's are my photos?

        Thu, April 19, 2007 - 6:51 AM
        These are really bad arguments, especially since they have all been addressed previously. I agree that it is good to know file structure on any computer, but keeping track of 7000 photos is much easier in iPhoto where you can browse them by date which makes it really easy to find them... Nightmare? I guess it depends on your POV. Remember drag and drop tot he desktop!

        All of the downfalls you mention are easily addressed as has been pointed out.
        • Re: Where's are my photos?

          Wed, April 25, 2007 - 4:55 PM
          I can find my photos by date. I name the folder according to the day I took them. Oh I forgot, some people don't organize their files in the Finder. In that case iPhoto is an elegant solution because it organizes them for you. You won't be able to re-organize later but that doesn't matter. I think I understand now. How presumptuous of me to expect that people consider it desirable to organize one's files in the Finder. Sorry.
        • Re: Where's are my photos?

          Wed, March 26, 2008 - 9:12 PM
          I joined whatever the hell this Tribe thing is just to post up on this topic. I'm using Aperture right now, and it shares a LOT with iPhoto. If you didn't like iPhoto then getting used to aperture is really, really going to wind you up. It has me.

          I tried to use iPhoto when it first came out, I punted it and used Graphic Converter exactly for the reasons stated by the anti iPhotoers above--iPhoto is a nightmare if you want a nice orderly file structure that plays nice with any other program out there. I wanted to be able to work in Photoshop and have exactly the same folder structure in both iPhoto (organize) and Photoshop (tweak). Years later I'm still finding photos that Iphoto stashed somewhere... Yes, there are solutions to any and all problems with iPhoto, but for a person who wants clean file structure outside of the program it's a frigging nightmare. I too have had at least a half-dozen switchers ask me how to use iPhoto. I can help, but most of them ended up using Graphic Converter. iPhoto was the first program other than some sharware BS that I ever gave up on. I run FCP and some other "Pro" applications, I can honestly say none of them ever gave me as bad a headache as iPhoto. I failed...

          Enter Aperture. It gives much more control over importing photos and file structure, but at its core seems to work with a very similar attitude as iPhoto. I am determined not to be beaten down by this program and WILL learn it, but it is taking a very different attitude. You have to let the program do the organizing and then control the files with metadata. As someone said, it's like valet parking where you hand in a tag when you want your car/photo back, and self-parking where you have to remember what level and in what space your car is in. It's a database vs. a spreadsheet kinda dilemma. It feels totally natural to let Address Book organize our contacts without ever referencing the finder, but we want our photos "right there" on the drive.

          Apple seems to be trying to get away from folders etc. not only in iPhoto but in Leopard. Those of us who are older learned early on to keep our data nicely organized or lose it. Now Apple is asking us to lose it and let Apple deal with it. Old habits die hard.

          In the end this is going to be like texting and voicemail. None of my friends over 40 did texts until QWERTY keyboards happened, and even then they are prone to using voicemail. None of my friends under 30 ever leave a voicemail, it's all text, and they can text in T9 faster than I can type.

          Obviously iPhoto works, but it's a right btich to get your head around. Next we'll not even be organizing our data on the hard drives, just relying on smart folders etc. to make it all work. Horrors!

          Back to Aperture. I'll keep an eye on this tribe thing.

          W
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Wed, April 25, 2007 - 5:31 PM
      Okay, I feel like an asshole for even responding to this, but here I go:

      Thanks Kerry, I actually know how Aperture organizes its database. I was not actually advocating that anyone do anything. I felt that the question asked had been adequately answered by Cuga, rght off the bat. It seemed like the next couple of posts, including mine were off-topic amens to the fact that iPhoto does not meet the needs of our workflows. I honestly thought that I had qualified my statements enough to make that clear. I guess that I was wrong.
      • Re: iPhoto database

        Wed, April 25, 2007 - 7:09 PM
        "I actually know how Aperture organizes its database."

        Really?? Well, from your previous post, it didnt sound like it. You said:

        "Basically, content management is an issue, and the compromises that iPhoto makes to manage your photo assets, mean that it doesn't play well with others outside of the iLife suite. Otherwise, it kind of sucks ass. I have payed with Aperture, Light Room, and Photo Mechanic, any of those are worth it for the serious amateur."

        You were agreeing with the gripe earlier about the way iPhoto manages its library in the Finder & that iPhoto doesnt play nice with anything outside iLife, then you go on about Aperture being much better for those things. Yoy didnt say that directly, but its what you were implying. So, that said to me you didnt know that:

        A. Aperture's library database in the Finder isnt able to be accessed directly either. Even more so than iPhoto's.

        B. iPhoto actually does play VERY nice with Aperture's library & visa versa. You can have Aperture point directly to your iPhoto library & Aperture integrates with the other iApps extremely well. And last I checked, Aperture wasn't part of iLife.

        Listen, iPhoto isnt perfect, but no app is. All im saying guys is get your facts straight & if you're gonna diss something, AT LEAST know what you're dissing. Im not trying to be a know-it-all, but the posts were just flat out wrong.
        • Re: iPhoto database

          Thu, April 26, 2007 - 1:19 AM

          ... ... ha ha! </b>

          He said "hammer"


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          • Re: iPhoto database

            Thu, April 26, 2007 - 10:25 AM
            I've ONLY used iPhoto. It works well. I have stored and organized hundreds of pictures at a time while travelling. Organizing is easy, storage is easy, fixing the photo is easy, burning is easy.

            Not that anyone cares...
  • Re: iPhoto database

    Sat, March 22, 2008 - 12:01 AM
    I used the first versions of iPhoto on an iBook. Those early versions said you could put in thousands of photos, but after about 1,000, things started choking. iPhoto dumped my roll info and lots of meta-data. On two different occasions. The individual photos were all still there, but scattered in umpteen jillion separate folders in a way that was unintelligible. iPhoto was definitely not ready for prime time. A friend found an extraction program to get them all out, but I had to sort thru them one by one and reconstitute the “rolls”. Bottom line is things can and will go wrong, either from hardware, software, upgrades, or user mistakes. The files need to be in a structure that you can go in and understand and back up easily. I use iView Media Pro to read my own file structure. The one other program I want to check out is Lightroom, which I think can read your own structure. The only thing I use iPhoto for is to batch process many photos. I really, really want to like iPhoto, but that file structure has screwed me over one time too many.
    • Re: iPhoto database

      Sun, March 23, 2008 - 11:11 AM
      iView... wasn't that the company that Microsoft just bought and disassembled?

      Early iPhoto (2) didn't like large libraries. It got substantially better in the following version, and every version since. I have several thousand photos in iPhoto 08 with no problems or hiccups at all.

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