External Hard Drive

topic posted Mon, November 17, 2008 - 6:48 AM by 
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Apologies because I know this has been discussed but I can't find the thread:

I've had two LaCie Firewire hard drives for a long time and they've always worked great. Last spring I bought a Gigabit Lacie Drive--and it's failing already! I remember reading a thread about assembling one's own external drive. I'm looking for guidance here--basic need to know stuff---best housing---best drives--is this still the way to go?
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  • Re: External Hard Drive

    Mon, November 17, 2008 - 8:12 AM
    I never buy a prebuilt drive in a case. I alwasy buy seagate hard drives and put them into a case myself. It is so easy you can't believe it. The case will have two cables inside that plug into the drive in an unmistakable way. There will a couple screws to hold the case together. That's it. Once you've put it together you plug in its power supply and a USB or Firewire cable and your mac will recognize it and ask to initialize it. Click "Initialize" (or whatever the prompt is) and it will open up Disk Utility where you can give the drive a name and it will prepare it for use. You've just save $50-$100 and you have a much higher quality hard drive.

    I recommend Seagate drives. You can get a Seagate 1TB drive for $114 from Amazon:

    www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST.../ref=sr_1_4

    You can get a compatible enclosure for $17.33

    www.amazon.com/Antec-MX-1.../ref=sr_1_2

    You can shop around for enclosures and drives -- the difference in cost may be the shipping, so check the shipping costs. You can also go into a computer store such as central computer and get a much better deal (no shipping):

    Seagate 1TB drive $109.95:
    www.centralcomputers.com/comme...ct.jsp
    • Re: External Hard Drive

      Mon, November 17, 2008 - 8:41 AM
      Thanks--that's what I was looking for. I'm under the impression that Firewire 800 is my fastest connection option--true? I'm having trouble finding a case that has Firewire 800 connectivity. Also, how do I know if a case is compatible with the Seagate Drive?
      • Re: External Hard Drive

        Mon, November 17, 2008 - 8:55 AM
        What machine are you attaching to?

        If it's a MBP, then yes, FW 800 is the fastest unless you get an eSATA express card (800MBPS vs 3GBPS).

        If it's a Mac Pro (and for some reason you've filled the 4 drive bays already), then this might be the eSATA answer:
        eshop.macsales.com/item/New.../MPQXES2/
        • Re: External Hard Drive

          Mon, November 17, 2008 - 9:17 AM
          I'm switching between two computers; A Power Mac G5 and a newer MacBook Pro. I do a lot of video and sound production so speed is helpful.
          • Re: External Hard Drive

            Mon, November 17, 2008 - 12:40 PM
            FW800 is definitely easier then, but eSATA would have performance improvements for video.

            I don't know of a viable / easy eSATA solution for a G5 tho.
            • Re: External Hard Drive

              Mon, November 17, 2008 - 12:53 PM
              I'm somewhat confused about the eSATA option. I have a seagate (factory) drive that offers FW/USB and eSATA. How do I go about using the eSATA option with my 24" Intel iMac?
              • Re: External Hard Drive

                Mon, November 17, 2008 - 1:10 PM
                You can't use it unless you get a firewire or USB to esata bridge of some sort...which defeats the whole purpose since it will be less efficient than just using USB or firewire straight.
      • Re: External Hard Drive

        Mon, November 17, 2008 - 8:57 AM
        Any enclosure that will take a 3.5" SATA Hard Disk Drive will take a Seagate 3.5" SATA drive.

        (2.5" is laptop; 3.5" is desktop; Serial ATA=SATA; Parallel ATA or Ultra ATA= PATA, which won't work.)
  • Re: External Hard Drive

    Mon, November 17, 2008 - 8:52 AM
    Yes, and I'd recommend OtherWorldComputing
    eshop.macsales.com/shop/fir.../EliteAL/

    Mercury Elite Pro-AL 0GB 'Add your own HD' Kit without Software (depending on the connections you desire):
    - 0GB FireWire 400 + USB 2.0 Combo [Oxford934 - uses SATA 3.5" HDs] $69.99
    - 0GB FireWire 400 + USB 2.0 Combo [Oxford911+ - uses standard ATA/IDE HDs] $54.99
    - 0GB FireWire 800/400 + USB 2.0 Combo [Oxford912 - uses standard ATA/IDE HDs] $74.99
    - NEW! 0GB Quad eSATA FireWire 800/400 + USB 2.0 [Combo Oxford 924 - uses SATA 3.5" HDs] $109.99

    Plus:
    Any of the Seagate drives @ eshop.macsales.com/search/S...ard+Drive
    My personal fav, 1.5TB Seagates.... :D


    This said, my next device is likely to be a Drobo. I already have 2 externals (1 @ 1TB, the other @ 1.5TB) hanging off my Mac mini media server, so when that finally starts running out of capacity (I've got a couple hundred GB free still), I'll be looking for the expandable capacity that Drobo offers.

    Of course, this depends on what the next Mac mini (assuming there is one) looks like.

    And Snow Leopard + ZFS might make this a little irrelevant.
  • Re: External Hard Drive

    Thu, November 20, 2008 - 6:44 AM
    That LaCie drive should have a 3 year warranty

    i've had two LaCie's fail and i contacted their customer service. After they gave me a bit of a run around to be sure that the drive failed, i mailed it t them and they sent me a repaired drive.

    it's definitely worth sending in for repair. and i always register my drives
    • Re: External Hard Drive

      Thu, November 20, 2008 - 7:14 AM
      >>it's definitely worth sending in for repair. and i always register my drives <<

      Oh, I'll be sending it back! My new Seagate Drive arrived today--and the enclosure should be here tomorrow. Then I can try to rescue my 500 GB of data before sending the LaCie back for replacement. I've had great luck with my other two LaCie drives--I guess the odds just caught up with me with the new one;-)
      • Re: External Hard Drive

        Thu, November 20, 2008 - 8:22 AM
        Best of luck. If your LaCie has both firewire and USB, and it isn't working via Firewire, make sure you also try it via USB. Not only might there be a problem with one port driver or the other on the lacie box, Macs also seem to have an easier time mounting damaged USB drives than damaged firewire drives. I don't know why, but it could be because USB is a host-managed protocol and firewire is a device-managed protocol. The host (your mac) might be able to handle more problems because it has software at its disposal (which gets updated from time-to-time with fixes and improvements,) whereas the device only has the firmware it was shipped with.

        It is too bad that removing the drive from the lacie enclosure voids your warrantee, otherwise you could try the drive itself in a different enclosure. But, you can't do that and also send it in for repair/replacement.
    • Re: External Hard Drive

      Thu, November 20, 2008 - 12:37 PM
      LaCie only provides a 1-year warranty. And they will not budge on even one HOUR after the warranty has expired.

      It's a damn good thing they provide high quality mechanisms and bridges that never fail. Er...yeah.
      • Re: External Hard Drive

        Thu, November 27, 2008 - 3:39 AM


        I am a fan of OWC (Other World Computing) but I'm hardly an expert on the subject !



        • Re: External Hard Drive

          Thu, November 27, 2008 - 8:19 AM
          Yep--I got the Mercury enclosure from OWC. It's working great! I got my data off the LaCie and was getting ready to send it in when they suggested I try a different power supply first. That appears to have been the problem all along.
          • Re: External Hard Drive

            Fri, November 28, 2008 - 12:25 AM
            With the LaCie drives, it's tough to know which part to replace, since so many of their parts fail.
            • Re: External Hard Drive

              Fri, December 5, 2008 - 11:04 AM
              LaCie just seems to be about glossy marketing, and they have been since the nineties.

              I just go to Central Computer, buy WD or Seagate drives and put them in an enclosure. Much, much cheaper and
              never yet had a failure. It's also a great way to get the stuff from an old Mac (or PC) onto a new one. I've still got the
              40M (sic) hard drive from an old PC available!

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